Swim Team Frequently Asked Questions This page includes information on several general topics, click on the specific subject to access this information: Meet Information What If we are going on vacation during the Championship meets? Is my swimmer's season over as of July 17th? Please note that ALL swimmers are welcome to attend regular morning practices during the weeks of July 19th and July 26th. However, only those swimmers attending Classic and City should attend the special 1 hour practices that are scheduled at Neuqua during the afternoon. Classic Swimmers will practice @ Neuqua from 3-4 pm on Thursday, July 22nd City Swimmers will practice @ Neuqua from 2 - 3 p.m. on Tuesday, July 27th What if a meet gets rained out and has to be rescheduled - do parents assigned to work at the original meet or swimmers swimming the original meet automatically get put back on the rosters? We realize that when a swim meet gets cancelled due to weather conditions on a particular date, those assigned to work and those who were signed up to swim will not necessarily be able to make the rescheduled meet. This season our Girls Invitational meet originally scheduled for Thursday, June 24th had to be rescheduled to Tuesday, July 20th due to the weather. For our swimmers, unless you notify Dianna Hill by July 17th, any swimmers on the original (June 24) meet line-up will be moved into the new (July 20) line up. The only way we can add new swimmers to the roster would be by substitution. In other words, if you couldn't swim on June 24th but you could swim on July 20th, there must be a vacancy in order for us to add you to the line-up. If you are interested in going on a waiting list, please contact Diana Hill at d2j2hill@ameritech.net by July 17th. (NOTE: Heat Sheets available for purchase at the meet will not reflect the line-up changes to minimize printing expense.) For our parent volunteers who were originally scheduled to work the June 24th Girls Invitational, your name has been transferred to the worker list for July 20th. If you cannot make this meet for some reason, please try to find a replacement for yourself by July 15th. Then contact Karen Kerfoot at 717-7609 with their name so that she's got the proper name tags for the worker check-in. FYI, the dual meet against White Eagle which was cancelled on Tuesday, July 6th will NOT be rescheduled due to lack of available pool time. What is the order of events? How do I know when my child is swimming? Every meet follows the same order of events. Click here to see the meet order of events. What If my swimmer gets DQ'd? A disqualification (DQ) is made by an official who has been through training to observe and evaluate that the swimmers they are assigned to watch are using the proper technique and rules for each stroke. Each team provides officials, also known as stroke and turn judges, to review 1/2 of the pool lanes at each end. Therefore at most of our summer meets, you will notice 4 officials (typically dressed in light shorts and shirt) on the pool deck. In some cases, the starter/ref may also observe the swimmers to determine whether a swimmer has false started. The job of an official is not an easy one. They must be unbiased and pay close attention to those swimmers in the lanes that they are responsible for. Remember, that if a swimmer is not doing the stroke properly, a "DQ" is an opportunity for them to learn what it is that they are doing wrong. Once a swimmer gets "DQ'd" for a stroke, he/she tends to remember not to make that same mistake again. WHAT IF I am working at the swim meet and cannot remember the event number (I know it is the backstroke) that my child is in so that I can slip away to see him swim? There is a code to the order of the swimming events. First remember that girls events will always be odd numbers and boys events will always be even numbers. Then remember that the first digit of the event tells the type of stroke. For example, single digit events are Medley stroke relay races. Events in the 10's are free style. Events in the 20's are distance and medley stroke. Events in the 30's are Butterfly. Events in the 40's are Backstroke. Events in the 50's are Breaststroke. Events in the 60's are the Freestyle relays. The second digit of the event tells the age group that is swimming. Events ending in 1 or 2 are for ages 7 -8. Events ending in 3 or 4 are for ages 9 - 10. Events ending in 5 or 6 are for ages 11 - 12. Events ending in 7 or 8 are for ages 13 - 14. Events ending in 9 or 0 are for ages 15 - 18. Events with an (a) or (b) are for ages 6 and under. By knowing this code, parents don't have to write their swimmers event numbers on their hands too! WHAT IF I can't tell which lane my daughter is swimming in - they all look alike with those swim caps on their heads?! At home meets, Saybrook swimmers generally occupy the odd numbered lanes (1, 3, 5). At away meets, Saybrook swimmers generally occupy the even numbered lanes (2,4,6). Saybrook Sharks swim team participates in the Naperville Park District organized conference. For full information about the rules etc., please click here. http://napervillepdsc.tripod.com/ What if I need to run an errand during a swim team event? Coaches request that a parent or guardian remain at the pool to be available during practices for all swimmers ages eight years and younger. This daily supervision responsibility can be handled by a group of neighbors sharing the responsibility for several swimmers. Swimmers ages nine and older may be at practice without an adult present. However, since practice could be sometimes canceled due to weather conditions, it is recommended that each swimmer know how to contact a parent or guardian during practice in case they need a ride home. At swim team social events, all swimmers ages ten years and younger must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. At swim meets, all swimmers, regardless of age, are to be accompanied by a parent or guardian. Swimmer Info Top Ten Tips for New Swim Team Families: 1. Bring a "sharpie" type pen to the meet so your swimmer can write their event numbers on their hands. 2. Mark your swimmers names (last and first initial) in all team clothing items so they don't get mixed up with others at practice or meets. 3. Always have a spare pair of goggles at meets for your swimmers. 4. Sunscreen and bug spray are highly recommended at the swim meets for your swimmers and you! 5. If you don't want your swimmer to eat at the concession food (for cost or health reasons), be sure to pack a lunch for them to take to the meet. 6. Encourage your swimmer to "hang-out" with their teammates in the bullpen or team area to ensure that they don't miss their event(s). 7. Flashlights are nice to have at night meets to police the area where your swimmer was camped out. 8. Save room for Portillo's after the night meets. It's a great time for all to reflect upon the activities of the evening. 9. Your swimmer will have lots of "down time" at the meets so they may want to bring cards, music, game boys, etc. Be sure to label everything your swimmer brings. 10. It is especially fun to decorate your automobiles before the AWAY meets to show your SHARKS spirit. Vehicles often caravan to the meets from Beebe's parking lot to the AWAY location. What if my swimmer doesn't want to participate in any of the swim meets? Often swimmers fairly new to the sport are a bit intimidated by the concept of swimming competitively at a meet. If you have a swimmer who is telling you that they absolutely won't swim at a meet, don't be discouraged. Bring them to a home meet to watch a friend swim and best of all to hang out in the bull pen w/the team. Home meets are generally less intimidating to reluctant swimmers. Generally, that's enough to persuade them to give it a try. Alternatively, sometimes a coach is able to convince a swimmer to give the meets a try if you let the coach know about their reluctance. Obviously, we are asking you to tell us what meets your swimmer will be at quite early in the season. (form was due on June 4th) This is because we need to establish our team roster and begin working on line-ups for the upcoming meets. The deadlines for submitting these rosters is several days in advance of the actual meet. (see "change deadline" column on the meet availabilty form) I If/when your swimmer decides that they are ready to swim in a meet, get the appropriate change form off the website and submit it to Dianna Hill by the cutoff for the meet. Parent Worker Assignments WHAT IF no one steps forward to be our 2005 swim team chair? That would be very unfortunate as the team is in good shape financially and organizationally. The Sharks swim team has seen consistent growth in size over the past 3 to 4 seasons. Many of our SBRC families (and kids) really look forward to the two months of fun and exercise that happen during the Sharks season (June & July). The infrastructure of the Sharks swim team makes good sense and promotes an even distribution of the workload. The chair person presides over a committee made up of 3 to 4 other individuals to share in the decision making about team issues. It is this group's responsibility, beginning in January, to hire the coaching staff and establish the team's calendar. Throughout the season, these individuals oversee all aspects of the team. There are approximately 20 committees established that focus on specific aspects of the team between April and July. The chair person's other main responsibility is to serve on the board of the entire pool. As such, the swim team chair position gets elected by all SBRC membership at the fall election. To dispel any rumors of why Kim Curia will not be returning as the swim team chair for the 2005 season, please be aware that she has served on the Saybrook pool board now for 3 consecutive years as membership chair from January 2002 through December 2003 and as swim team chair from January 2004 through December 2004. It was always Kim's intention to merely complete the two year term began by Beth Williams and Marcia Bogle in the 2003 season. Now it is time for yet another member(s) to step forward to offer their time and energy to this great Saybrook Sharks team! According to Kim, some of the best friendships that she has made during her 5 years of membership at Saybrook have been with those she has served with on both the pool and swim team boards. What if my child isn't going to be participating in any of the swim meets? Will my family still be expected to work at meets or social events? Yes, every family of a swimmer is expected to work the specified number of meets/social events whether your swimmer is there or not. Without the participation of all families, we couldn't have swim meets. Home swim meets allow us to earn concession money which allows us to keep our swimmer fees low. Why do we have to work at so many meets? It seems like there are enough families to let us work less. We have 12 meets scheduled this season, with 7 swim meets taking place at our pool. That includes 4 "home" dual meets plus our time trials, a Girls and a Boys Invitational hosted by Saybrook. Home meets are a great opportunity for the team to earn money at concessions which ultimately results in our ability to keep our fees reasonable. In terms of worker assignments, it takes approximately 29 parent volunteers to run a regular "home" meet and approximately 17 parent volunteers to participate in a regular "away" meet. We would like to have 41 parent volunteers work at our opening time trials which gives us all a chance to have that much need "dress rehearsal" before we host our first dual meet of the season. Our Saybrook invitationals will require approximately 26 parent volunteers (13 per meet). And when we attend the "away" invitational, we will need approximately 8 parent volunteers. (NOTE: Classic and City participation requires additional parent volunteers.) We have looked at ways to decrease the traditional work requirements of our team parents 5 meets, plus 1 social. Unfortunately, until we know how many families will be registering their kids for swim team this season, we cannot adjust the worker assignment number. Keep in mind that it takes the same number of parents to run a meet, regardless of the number of kids swimming in the meet. If we have a sufficient amount of families sign up for swim team and are able to reduce the number of worker commitments, you will be notified before the season begins. I have always been a timer at swim meets and don't know how to do any of the other jobs. How can I ensure that I will get to be a timer this season? Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee what job anyone will work at the meets. You get to sign up for the jobs available at registration based upon your availability and what is left once you get to that table. On the website is a summary of each job so you can learn something about the requirements of the various positions. I have preschool aged children who are not on the swim team. How do you expect me to work at a meet? It is always amazing to see how different families handle the care of younger non-swim team siblings at swim team events. I have seen families "hire" sitters from the older non-swimming siblings also in attendance. I have seen mom's do the childcare while dad's do the worker assignments, and vice versa at swim team events. I have seen families where mom and dad each work a job at the meet, thereby knocking out 2 of their 5 required working assignments. Generally, in this case, they have a sitter taking care of their younger non-swimming siblings. Obviously, there are a multitude of possibilities that allows families w/younger non-swimming children to participate. Why do some families not have to work the designated number of meets/socials? Certain jobs associated with swim team are larger in scope and require more time than during the 10 weeks of swim season from the individual doing the job. Examples include: Registration, Park District Rep, Computer, swim team committee board positions. Rest assured all families are being required to put in their volunteer hours even though you might not see them all at the swim meets. There is lots of work happening behind the scenes year-round. We try very hard to make sure that ALL families share in the workload. That is the reason for the required number of worker assignments to keep it fair. I don't really know my schedule yet for the summer so what should I do at registration when you want me to sign up for specific dates? We understand that most of our schedules are very subject to change, especially once you put the kids activities into the plans. We are asking each family to sign up for dates that they believe they would be available to work. In late May or early June, the coaches will ask you to sign up your swimmer for the meets that they will be swimming. Hopefully the dates that you have selected will coordinate with when your child is swimming. However, if you find that you do need to switch your assigned worker date, you can go to the website and find the meet worker schedule to coordinate who you might want to switch assigned schedules with. All worker schedule changes must be reported in advance to our volunteer coordinator, Karen Kerfoot, to ensure your swimmers remain in good standing with the team. What happened to the set-up and take-down jobs? In an effort to lower the number of required worker assignments this season, we re-examined the way that many of our jobs have been done in the past. In the case of the set-up and take-down, we have turned these tasks into the responsibility of everyone assigned to work that meet. When you arrive and check in, you will be told what area to go to help with the set-up. By the same token, when you are assigned to work a meet, you need to stay for the take-down even if your swimmer is done swimming several events earlier. If you live close enough, you could take them home and then come back to help clean up at the end of the meet. By having all volunteers working that meet partake in both the set-up and take-down, the job will get done much more efficiently. |
Swim Team Frequently Asked Questions This page includes information on several general topics, click on the specific subject to access this information: Meet Information What If we are going on vacation during the Championship meets? Is my swimmer's season over as of July 17th? Please note that ALL swimmers are welcome to attend regular morning practices during the weeks of July 19th and July 26th. However, only those swimmers attending Classic and City should attend the special 1 hour practices that are scheduled at Neuqua during the afternoon. Classic Swimmers will practice @ Neuqua from 3-4 pm on Thursday, July 22nd City Swimmers will practice @ Neuqua from 2 - 3 p.m. on Tuesday, July 27th What if a meet gets rained out and has to be rescheduled - do parents assigned to work at the original meet or swimmers swimming the original meet automatically get put back on the rosters? We realize that when a swim meet gets cancelled due to weather conditions on a particular date, those assigned to work and those who were signed up to swim will not necessarily be able to make the rescheduled meet. This season our Girls Invitational meet originally scheduled for Thursday, June 24th had to be rescheduled to Tuesday, July 20th due to the weather. For our swimmers, unless you notify Dianna Hill by July 17th, any swimmers on the original (June 24) meet line-up will be moved into the new (July 20) line up. The only way we can add new swimmers to the roster would be by substitution. In other words, if you couldn't swim on June 24th but you could swim on July 20th, there must be a vacancy in order for us to add you to the line-up. If you are interested in going on a waiting list, please contact Diana Hill at d2j2hill@ameritech.net by July 17th. (NOTE: Heat Sheets available for purchase at the meet will not reflect the line-up changes to minimize printing expense.) For our parent volunteers who were originally scheduled to work the June 24th Girls Invitational, your name has been transferred to the worker list for July 20th. If you cannot make this meet for some reason, please try to find a replacement for yourself by July 15th. Then contact Karen Kerfoot at 717-7609 with their name so that she's got the proper name tags for the worker check-in. FYI, the dual meet against White Eagle which was cancelled on Tuesday, July 6th will NOT be rescheduled due to lack of available pool time. What is the order of events? How do I know when my child is swimming? Every meet follows the same order of events. Click here to see the meet order of events. What If my swimmer gets DQ'd? A disqualification (DQ) is made by an official who has been through training to observe and evaluate that the swimmers they are assigned to watch are using the proper technique and rules for each stroke. Each team provides officials, also known as stroke and turn judges, to review 1/2 of the pool lanes at each end. Therefore at most of our summer meets, you will notice 4 officials (typically dressed in light shorts and shirt) on the pool deck. In some cases, the starter/ref may also observe the swimmers to determine whether a swimmer has false started. The job of an official is not an easy one. They must be unbiased and pay close attention to those swimmers in the lanes that they are responsible for. Remember, that if a swimmer is not doing the stroke properly, a "DQ" is an opportunity for them to learn what it is that they are doing wrong. Once a swimmer gets "DQ'd" for a stroke, he/she tends to remember not to make that same mistake again. WHAT IF I am working at the swim meet and cannot remember the event number (I know it is the backstroke) that my child is in so that I can slip away to see him swim? There is a code to the order of the swimming events. First remember that girls events will always be odd numbers and boys events will always be even numbers. Then remember that the first digit of the event tells the type of stroke. For example, single digit events are Medley stroke relay races. Events in the 10's are free style. Events in the 20's are distance and medley stroke. Events in the 30's are Butterfly. Events in the 40's are Backstroke. Events in the 50's are Breaststroke. Events in the 60's are the Freestyle relays. The second digit of the event tells the age group that is swimming. Events ending in 1 or 2 are for ages 7 -8. Events ending in 3 or 4 are for ages 9 - 10. Events ending in 5 or 6 are for ages 11 - 12. Events ending in 7 or 8 are for ages 13 - 14. Events ending in 9 or 0 are for ages 15 - 18. Events with an (a) or (b) are for ages 6 and under. By knowing this code, parents don't have to write their swimmers event numbers on their hands too! WHAT IF I can't tell which lane my daughter is swimming in - they all look alike with those swim caps on their heads?! At home meets, Saybrook swimmers generally occupy the odd numbered lanes (1, 3, 5). At away meets, Saybrook swimmers generally occupy the even numbered lanes (2,4,6). Saybrook Sharks swim team participates in the Naperville Park District organized conference. For full information about the rules etc., please click here. http://napervillepdsc.tripod.com/ What if I need to run an errand during a swim team event? Coaches request that a parent or guardian remain at the pool to be available during practices for all swimmers ages eight years and younger. This daily supervision responsibility can be handled by a group of neighbors sharing the responsibility for several swimmers. Swimmers ages nine and older may be at practice without an adult present. However, since practice could be sometimes canceled due to weather conditions, it is recommended that each swimmer know how to contact a parent or guardian during practice in case they need a ride home. At swim team social events, all swimmers ages ten years and younger must be accompanied by a parent or guardian. At swim meets, all swimmers, regardless of age, are to be accompanied by a parent or guardian. Swimmer Info Top Ten Tips for New Swim Team Families: 1. Bring a "sharpie" type pen to the meet so your swimmer can write their event numbers on their hands. 2. Mark your swimmers names (last and first initial) in all team clothing items so they don't get mixed up with others at practice or meets. 3. Always have a spare pair of goggles at meets for your swimmers. 4. Sunscreen and bug spray are highly recommended at the swim meets for your swimmers and you! 5. If you don't want your swimmer to eat at the concession food (for cost or health reasons), be sure to pack a lunch for them to take to the meet. 6. Encourage your swimmer to "hang-out" with their teammates in the bullpen or team area to ensure that they don't miss their event(s). 7. Flashlights are nice to have at night meets to police the area where your swimmer was camped out. 8. Save room for Portillo's after the night meets. It's a great time for all to reflect upon the activities of the evening. 9. Your swimmer will have lots of "down time" at the meets so they may want to bring cards, music, game boys, etc. Be sure to label everything your swimmer brings. 10. It is especially fun to decorate your automobiles before the AWAY meets to show your SHARKS spirit. Vehicles often caravan to the meets from Beebe's parking lot to the AWAY location. What if my swimmer doesn't want to participate in any of the swim meets? Often swimmers fairly new to the sport are a bit intimidated by the concept of swimming competitively at a meet. If you have a swimmer who is telling you that they absolutely won't swim at a meet, don't be discouraged. Bring them to a home meet to watch a friend swim and best of all to hang out in the bull pen w/the team. Home meets are generally less intimidating to reluctant swimmers. Generally, that's enough to persuade them to give it a try. Alternatively, sometimes a coach is able to convince a swimmer to give the meets a try if you let the coach know about their reluctance. Obviously, we are asking you to tell us what meets your swimmer will be at quite early in the season. (form was due on June 4th) This is because we need to establish our team roster and begin working on line-ups for the upcoming meets. The deadlines for submitting these rosters is several days in advance of the actual meet. (see "change deadline" column on the meet availabilty form) I If/when your swimmer decides that they are ready to swim in a meet, get the appropriate change form off the website and submit it to Dianna Hill by the cutoff for the meet. Parent Worker Assignments WHAT IF no one steps forward to be our 2005 swim team chair? That would be very unfortunate as the team is in good shape financially and organizationally. The Sharks swim team has seen consistent growth in size over the past 3 to 4 seasons. Many of our SBRC families (and kids) really look forward to the two months of fun and exercise that happen during the Sharks season (June & July). The infrastructure of the Sharks swim team makes good sense and promotes an even distribution of the workload. The chair person presides over a committee made up of 3 to 4 other individuals to share in the decision making about team issues. It is this group's responsibility, beginning in January, to hire the coaching staff and establish the team's calendar. Throughout the season, these individuals oversee all aspects of the team. There are approximately 20 committees established that focus on specific aspects of the team between April and July. The chair person's other main responsibility is to serve on the board of the entire pool. As such, the swim team chair position gets elected by all SBRC membership at the fall election. To dispel any rumors of why Kim Curia will not be returning as the swim team chair for the 2005 season, please be aware that she has served on the Saybrook pool board now for 3 consecutive years as membership chair from January 2002 through December 2003 and as swim team chair from January 2004 through December 2004. It was always Kim's intention to merely complete the two year term began by Beth Williams and Marcia Bogle in the 2003 season. Now it is time for yet another member(s) to step forward to offer their time and energy to this great Saybrook Sharks team! According to Kim, some of the best friendships that she has made during her 5 years of membership at Saybrook have been with those she has served with on both the pool and swim team boards. What if my child isn't going to be participating in any of the swim meets? Will my family still be expected to work at meets or social events? Yes, every family of a swimmer is expected to work the specified number of meets/social events whether your swimmer is there or not. Without the participation of all families, we couldn't have swim meets. Home swim meets allow us to earn concession money which allows us to keep our swimmer fees low. Why do we have to work at so many meets? It seems like there are enough families to let us work less. We have 12 meets scheduled this season, with 7 swim meets taking place at our pool. That includes 4 "home" dual meets plus our time trials, a Girls and a Boys Invitational hosted by Saybrook. Home meets are a great opportunity for the team to earn money at concessions which ultimately results in our ability to keep our fees reasonable. In terms of worker assignments, it takes approximately 29 parent volunteers to run a regular "home" meet and approximately 17 parent volunteers to participate in a regular "away" meet. We would like to have 41 parent volunteers work at our opening time trials which gives us all a chance to have that much need "dress rehearsal" before we host our first dual meet of the season. Our Saybrook invitationals will require approximately 26 parent volunteers (13 per meet). And when we attend the "away" invitational, we will need approximately 8 parent volunteers. (NOTE: Classic and City participation requires additional parent volunteers.) We have looked at ways to decrease the traditional work requirements of our team parents 5 meets, plus 1 social. Unfortunately, until we know how many families will be registering their kids for swim team this season, we cannot adjust the worker assignment number. Keep in mind that it takes the same number of parents to run a meet, regardless of the number of kids swimming in the meet. If we have a sufficient amount of families sign up for swim team and are able to reduce the number of worker commitments, you will be notified before the season begins. I have always been a timer at swim meets and don't know how to do any of the other jobs. How can I ensure that I will get to be a timer this season? Unfortunately, we cannot guarantee what job anyone will work at the meets. You get to sign up for the jobs available at registration based upon your availability and what is left once you get to that table. On the website is a summary of each job so you can learn something about the requirements of the various positions. I have preschool aged children who are not on the swim team. How do you expect me to work at a meet? It is always amazing to see how different families handle the care of younger non-swim team siblings at swim team events. I have seen families "hire" sitters from the older non-swimming siblings also in attendance. I have seen mom's do the childcare while dad's do the worker assignments, and vice versa at swim team events. I have seen families where mom and dad each work a job at the meet, thereby knocking out 2 of their 5 required working assignments. Generally, in this case, they have a sitter taking care of their younger non-swimming siblings. Obviously, there are a multitude of possibilities that allows families w/younger non-swimming children to participate. Why do some families not have to work the designated number of meets/socials? Certain jobs associated with swim team are larger in scope and require more time than during the 10 weeks of swim season from the individual doing the job. Examples include: Registration, Park District Rep, Computer, swim team committee board positions. Rest assured all families are being required to put in their volunteer hours even though you might not see them all at the swim meets. There is lots of work happening behind the scenes year-round. We try very hard to make sure that ALL families share in the workload. That is the reason for the required number of worker assignments to keep it fair. I don't really know my schedule yet for the summer so what should I do at registration when you want me to sign up for specific dates? We understand that most of our schedules are very subject to change, especially once you put the kids activities into the plans. We are asking each family to sign up for dates that they believe they would be available to work. In late May or early June, the coaches will ask you to sign up your swimmer for the meets that they will be swimming. Hopefully the dates that you have selected will coordinate with when your child is swimming. However, if you find that you do need to switch your assigned worker date, you can go to the website and find the meet worker schedule to coordinate who you might want to switch assigned schedules with. All worker schedule changes must be reported in advance to our volunteer coordinator, Karen Kerfoot, to ensure your swimmers remain in good standing with the team. What happened to the set-up and take-down jobs? In an effort to lower the number of required worker assignments this season, we re-examined the way that many of our jobs have been done in the past. In the case of the set-up and take-down, we have turned these tasks into the responsibility of everyone assigned to work that meet. When you arrive and check in, you will be told what area to go to help with the set-up. By the same token, when you are assigned to work a meet, you need to stay for the take-down even if your swimmer is done swimming several events earlier. If you live close enough, you could take them home and then come back to help clean up at the end of the meet. By having all volunteers working that meet partake in both the set-up and take-down, the job will get done much more efficiently. |
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